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Re: Western: Cannonsburg Ski Area

Postby mntn-biker » May 24th, 2011, 9:59 am

Bigtymer wrote:That's really sad they have to take 40 trees because of money.


Select logging is actually really good for the remaining forest/woods. If the money raised with the sale helps with the offseason daily operations of the ski area and keeps the area open to riding, I'm all for it. It's too bad that the trails have to suffer the carnage from the heavy equipment used to log the that area.
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Re: Western: Cannonsburg Ski Area

Postby gtrowbridge » May 24th, 2011, 10:17 am

mntn-biker wrote:
Bigtymer wrote:That's really sad they have to take 40 trees because of money.


Select logging is actually really good for the remaining forest/woods. If the money raised with the sale helps with the offseason daily operations of the ski area and keeps the area open to riding, I'm all for it. It's too bad that the trails have to suffer the carnage from the heavy equipment used to log the that area.


The biggest problem I have with logging is the fact that it lets in more light to the forest floor which equals more under brush which equals more trail maintenance.
I've seen it happen in OH and KY.
But it all depends on how "selective" it is. Create a big hole in the canopy and you get underbrush. If it is really selective then it might not make much diff because the trees will fill in. Especially Maples. Those are like weeds here in MI.

We're still lucky to be able to ride there at no cost and the terrian won't really change anyway.
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Re: Western: Cannonsburg Ski Area

Postby cramer » May 24th, 2011, 11:24 am

gtrowbridge wrote:
mntn-biker wrote:
Bigtymer wrote:That's really sad they have to take 40 trees because of money.


Select logging is actually really good for the remaining forest/woods. If the money raised with the sale helps with the offseason daily operations of the ski area and keeps the area open to riding, I'm all for it. It's too bad that the trails have to suffer the carnage from the heavy equipment used to log the that area.


The biggest problem I have with logging is the fact that it lets in more light to the forest floor which equals more under brush which equals more trail maintenance.
I've seen it happen in OH and KY.
But it all depends on how "selective" it is. Create a big hole in the canopy and you get underbrush. If it is really selective then it might not make much diff because the trees will fill in. Especially Maples. Those are like weeds here in MI.

We're still lucky to be able to ride there at no cost and the terrian won't really change anyway.


We're talking about less than one tree per acre on average so I think it will be fine. I wouldn't complain if they cut the entire forest down since it's their forest. Like you said, I'm just glad we get to ride there for free.
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Re: Western: Cannonsburg Ski Area

Postby Bigtymer » May 24th, 2011, 2:28 pm

I bet they'll do the same thing next year for more money. Why wouldn't they?
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Re: Western: Cannonsburg Ski Area

Postby Gooser » May 24th, 2011, 8:08 pm

cramer wrote:
gtrowbridge wrote:
mntn-biker wrote:
Bigtymer wrote:That's really sad they have to take 40 trees because of money.


Select logging is actually really good for the remaining forest/woods. If the money raised with the sale helps with the offseason daily operations of the ski area and keeps the area open to riding, I'm all for it. It's too bad that the trails have to suffer the carnage from the heavy equipment used to log the that area.


The biggest problem I have with logging is the fact that it lets in more light to the forest floor which equals more under brush which equals more trail maintenance.
I've seen it happen in OH and KY.
But it all depends on how "selective" it is. Create a big hole in the canopy and you get underbrush. If it is really selective then it might not make much diff because the trees will fill in. Especially Maples. Those are like weeds here in MI.

We're still lucky to be able to ride there at no cost and the terrian won't really change anyway.


We're talking about less than one tree per acre on average so I think it will be fine. I wouldn't complain if they cut the entire forest down since it's their forest. Like you said, I'm just glad we get to ride there for free.


Has anyone seen tagged trees? I didn't see any logging tap on the trees on Sunday ...so to Cramers point I think it will be minimilized...to bad the impact to the trails won't......Glad I got to ride it on Sunday.
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Re: Western: Cannonsburg Ski Area

Postby cramer » May 24th, 2011, 9:50 pm

The trees have been marked with paint since spring. Some of the marks just designate the property line but others are trees marked to be cut. Some of the trees marked to be cut are right on the trail though.
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Re: Western: Cannonsburg Ski Area

Postby cramer » May 24th, 2011, 9:59 pm

Bigtymer wrote:I bet they'll do the same thing next year for more money. Why wouldn't they?


I think the trees being removed have been identified as being valuable and they're likely taking ALL of them at one time (most cost effective way to do it), there won't be any left next year.
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Re: Western: Cannonsburg Ski Area

Postby Bigtymer » May 25th, 2011, 10:27 am

Well that's good to hear.
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Re: Western: Cannonsburg Ski Area

Postby redrabbit » June 6th, 2011, 9:07 am

Any word when this opens back up?
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Re: Western: Cannonsburg Ski Area

Postby cramer » June 6th, 2011, 11:57 am

I just talked to Chris Curtis who went down there to check it out. He talked to the guys in the maint. building and they said it was in ROUGH shape. He said they are doing some sort of clean up effort right now but I'm not sure if it's the logging guys or the workers from Cannonsburg that are working on it.
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Re: Western: Cannonsburg Ski Area

Postby RickPlite » June 6th, 2011, 2:39 pm

Hello all
I scouted the trails yesterday and it is a mess. Some areas by the wall may not be salvageable. Here is a map I made of the damaged areas. There are 198 tree tops down so I am told, many of them on the trail! They plan to back blade Up The Gut and Sleigh Ride two-tracks this afternoon, hopefully that will make it easier to ride in. Starting tonight, we can get in there to clear the trail. Feel free to go there any day or evening this week to help clear the trail. Brent has the 8 Hours of CBurg this Saturday and the chapter has The State Games race there on the 25th. Please help reclaim our trails if you can.

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https://picasaweb.google.com/100895717340531427259/CannonsburgSkiAreaTreeDamage?authkey=Gv1sRgCIOSvauKuO_j-wE&feat=directlink
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Re: Western: Cannonsburg Ski Area

Postby mntn-biker » June 6th, 2011, 2:55 pm

RickPlite wrote:....Feel free to go there any day or evening this week to help clear the trail.


You didn't make mention of this but shouldn't only those that are chainsaw certified be running chainsaws or does that apply only to state land (for liability reasons)?
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Re: Western: Cannonsburg Ski Area

Postby G.R.XC-MTNBKR » June 6th, 2011, 3:44 pm

mntn-biker wrote:
RickPlite wrote:....Feel free to go there any day or evening this week to help clear the trail.


You didn't make mention of this but shouldn't only those that are chainsaw certified be running chainsaws or does that apply only to state land (for liability reasons)?

Do they make you register your chainsaw with the MSP now? :wink:
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Re: Western: Cannonsburg Ski Area

Postby mntn-biker » June 6th, 2011, 4:06 pm

G.R.XC-MTNBKR wrote:
mntn-biker wrote:
RickPlite wrote:....Feel free to go there any day or evening this week to help clear the trail.


You didn't make mention of this but shouldn't only those that are chainsaw certified be running chainsaws or does that apply only to state land (for liability reasons)?

Do they make you register your chainsaw with the MSP now? :wink:


Well not to my knowledge :D My point is that on trail days only those that are "chainsaw" certified are allowed to wield the chainsaw and I thought I would bring it up...
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Re: Western: Cannonsburg Ski Area

Postby gtrowbridge » June 6th, 2011, 4:17 pm

mntn-biker wrote:
G.R.XC-MTNBKR wrote:
mntn-biker wrote:
RickPlite wrote:....Feel free to go there any day or evening this week to help clear the trail.


You didn't make mention of this but shouldn't only those that are chainsaw certified be running chainsaws or does that apply only to state land (for liability reasons)?

Do they make you register your chainsaw with the MSP now? :wink:


Well not to my knowledge :D My point is that on trail days only those that are "chainsaw" certified are allowed to wield the chainsaw and I thought I would bring it up...


Which is different than those that are "certified" and are also running a chainsaw (sometimes with a hockey mask). :lol:
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