IMBA: Possible new direction for the MMBA

[dirtjunkie]

I'll ignore the snide comments.

Hi Pot, Kettle calling again.

Thanks for nothing.

So... what was the result at the Expo?

Did the new board hand the keys over to IMBA?

[Scotty]

Hi Pot, Kettle calling again.

All I did was ask a question. I got a page worth of attacks and half an answer. In a thread where my question is on topic.

You started page number two.

[c0nsumer]

Hi Pot, Kettle calling again.

All I did was ask a question. I got a page worth of attacks and half an answer. In a thread where my question is on topic.

You started page number two.

In my opinion the problem is that your asking of these questions sounds like the kid who, immediately after a lesson on a topic, raises his hand and asks for it to all be personally re-explained to him.

[Scotty]

Hi Pot, Kettle calling again.

All I did was ask a question. I got a page worth of attacks and half an answer. In a thread where my question is on topic.

You started page number two.

In my opinion the problem is that your asking of these questions sounds like the kid who, immediately after a lesson on a topic, raises his hand and asks for it to all be personally re-explained to him.

more attacks.

real nice.

[c0nsumer]

Hi Pot, Kettle calling again.

All I did was ask a question. I got a page worth of attacks and half an answer. In a thread where my question is on topic.

You started page number two.

In my opinion the problem is that your asking of these questions sounds like the kid who, immediately after a lesson on a topic, raises his hand and asks for it to all be personally re-explained to him.

more attacks.

real nice.

Perhaps if you asked more informed questions in a less loaded manner you'd get a better response.

Glen has offered to explain anything you need to know directly, so based on that and the information throughout this thread you should have no problem coming up to speed. If you have questions after that, go ahead and ask, but if you continue to make them rhetorically loaded don't be surprised if it gets the same reaction.

[scat silvurz]

So... what was the result at the Expo?

Did the new board hand the keys over to IMBA?

So, Scotty, how do you know about THE KEYS?

[Scotty]

Perhaps if you asked more informed questions in a less loaded manner you'd get a better response.

Informed?

I spoke to several people who attended the Expo before posting here. None of them knew the status of the issue which is the topic of this thread.

If the people who are on the board don't provide that information, it's kinda hard to criticize those they haven't updated for being "uninformed."

Glen has offered to explain anything you need to know directly, so based on that and the information throughout this thread you should have no problem coming up to speed. If you have questions after that, go ahead and ask, but if you continue to make them rhetorically loaded don't be surprised if it gets the same reaction.

I have messages out not to members of the Western Chapter. I won't be talking with Glen, since he also seems unable to respond in here without name calling.

I apologize for not being part of the IMBA clique in the MMBA. All I care about is access to public land and where my money ends up.

I suggest that the mods save everyone who comes to this thread the hassle of reading today's list of personal attacks against me and delete the last two pages of this thread. Then, replace it with a brief post that explains the current state of the IMBA proposal so that others (members and potential future members of the MMBA) can find that info if they come back to this thread looking for it.

[Scotty]

So... what was the result at the Expo?

Did the new board hand the keys over to IMBA?

So, Scotty, how do you know about THE KEYS?

It was discussed at my last Free Masons meeting. right after we put on our Fez Hats and paddled each other.

[inasnit]

There never was to be any *decisions* made at the annual meeting. It was only a forum for information. At the state board meeting, all board reps and presidents were invited to attend (and many did attend) as well as anyone else who was interested (and some did). It was SPECIFICALLY a FAQ about the IMBA Chapter program as it relates to our organization.

The conversation is being had within the chapters. Communication is being sent to chapters. It is just not realistic to expect anyone to relay the vast amount of information that was to be acquired at this year's annual meeting in a forum post. But, a conversation with your chapter rep or president could probably get you up to speed pretty quickly.

No "keys" have been turned over because we're no where near that step yet. We're still just gathering information and getting our bearings. We're moving forward in the process, but have not made a commitment at this time. Exactly where we were on Friday.

[Di_bear]

If the people who are on the board don't provide that information, it's kinda hard to criticize those they haven't updated for being "uninformed."

I apologize for not being part of the IMBA clique in the MMBA. All I care about is access to public land and where my money ends up.

A couple of things:

• My last post in this thread pretty much summed it up, and so did Marty's.
• We keep our members informed through the newsletter. Join the MMBA.
• I didn't attack you, but you act as if my post never happened (the post with the information).

You act like we're keeping a secret from you, but we're not. Go back and read my last post in this thread and you'll know what is going on.

[Scotty]

A couple of things:

• My last post in this thread pretty much summed it up, and so did Marty's.
• We keep our members informed through the newsletter. Join the MMBA.
• I didn't attack you, but you act as if my post never happened (the post with the information).

You act like we're keeping a secret from you, but we're not. Go back and read my last post in this thread and you'll know what is going on.

I'm not acting like anybody's keeping any secrets. I haven't made any such claim. Although I do have your username hidden so I don't have sift through your posts when I view the board.

All I wanted to know was the status of this issue. Just the facts Ma'am!

I appreciate the information, just not all the name calling from the IMBA crew.

[dirtjunkie]

*sniff*

Poor scooter. Sounds like the playground bully doesn't like the taste if his own medicine. You spew enough venom towards the MMBA to fill a book, and yet, when someone points to your inability to read the post and take it for what it is, its Niagara Falls.

It doesn't matter what comes of this (speaking directly to your easily predictable responses....not the future of the MMBA and our trails), you're going to criticize and point fingers. There's no conspiracies or backroom deals going on for you to spout off about, Scooter. Just a bunch of volunteers who care about mountain biking collectively trying to do their best. I don't envy them.....but I sure do appreciate their efforts, regardless if i agree with all of them or not.

You don't belong to the MMBA. You wanna fix it, jump on in and get er done. But getting upset over someone dishing some of your tolling crap right back at you just furthers your PIA status.

Cue the violins.......

[Di_bear]

A couple of things:

• My last post in this thread pretty much summed it up, and so did Marty's.
• We keep our members informed through the newsletter. Join the MMBA.
• I didn't attack you, but you act as if my post never happened (the post with the information).

You act like we're keeping a secret from you, but we're not. Go back and read my last post in this thread and you'll know what is going on.

I'm not acting like anybody's keeping any secrets. I haven't made any such claim. Although I do have your username hidden so I don't have sift through your posts when I view the board.

All I wanted to know was the status of this issue. Just the facts Ma'am!

I appreciate the information, just not all the name calling from the IMBA crew.

Funny, Scotty, because I also have your username hidden, but I feel it is my responsibility to read your posts in threads such as this. I suggest you do the same with me. Perhaps it is time to recognize that there is a communication problem, whether it be from both sides, and we *all* need to leave the attitude behind when discussing something like this, that includes you and how you present yourself on this forum, and the MMBA crew and how they react; but recognize that undesirable reactions occur because someone presented themselves poorly, or someone misread something. Be honest when determining which it is.

[Trailbanditt]

Wow all I can do is shake my head.It seems to me that alot of effort goes into bashing each other instead of informing the less fortunate others who cant make it up to Lansing.Why so much effort on attacks? Instead of just asking a question and simply informing the general members who read these forums for their info?So much bul....sht i cant even imagine becoming more active and THE MMBA wonders why people aren't getting more involved could be the basic vibe that is felt from these type of posts...........Im just callin it the way I read it , not attacking anyone.

[jonw9]

Wow all I can do is shake my head.It seems to me that alot of effort goes into bashing each other instead of informing the less fortunate others who cant make it up to Lansing.Why so much effort on attacks? Instead of just asking a question and simply informing the general members who read these forums for their info?So much bul....sht i cant even imagine becoming more active and THE MMBA wonders why people aren't getting more involved could be the basic vibe that is felt from these type of posts...........Im just callin it the way I read it , not attacking anyone.

The response is not due to the question, but the tone of said question. It is easy to see that the question was posed in such a way to elicit a response, one that was received exactly as hoped.

I am not sure how the reactions of some on the forum prevent you from being more active in the organization as a whole. Perhaps it would be enough to dissuade you from being more active in the forums, but I can assure you (and others) this "vibe" is not present, or representative, to that which occurs at ANY of our trail days, chapter meetings, or other organized event.

I tried my best to not offend you any further or come across as accusatory, and I apologize if I did so.