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Re: CRAMBA: Bald Mountain

Postby Toaster » March 20th, 2015, 7:36 am

Alright everyone you can put away your lead pipes. Haven't road BM yet, that's why I asked.
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Re: CRAMBA: Bald Mountain

Postby c0nsumer » March 20th, 2015, 7:43 am

Toaster wrote:Alright everyone you can put away your lead pipes. Haven't road BM yet, that's why I asked.


It's important to realize that there's also a big difference between the summertime wet area mud and the thawing-trail mud we have right now. While on first blush they appear similar, what we have right now is muddy areas (often entire trails) that are soft because the ground is thawing from the top down. While the ground up top is thawed it stays wet and sloppy because the ground below is frozen, acting just like a swimming pool liner, keeping water pooling up top. Ruts and damage done this time of year will quickly dry in place once the ground finishes thawing and the water can drain out the bottom, leading to crappy, dried-in ruts that often remain all year. These ruts then allow water to pool or flow, adding to erosion. People then tend to ride at the edge widening the trail, etc.

Because this pooling doesn't happen in summer time the top layer doesn't get nearly as saturated, mud isn't as deep, rutting isn't as bad, etc. This is evidenced by often being able to ride a day or so after the heaviest storms.

It's really best to stay off the trails this time of year as a whole -- single track or not. Wait until the ground finishes thawing and it won't be long before they are good to go.
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Re: CRAMBA: Bald Mountain

Postby 2niner » March 20th, 2015, 7:48 am

Toaster wrote:Alright everyone you can put away your lead pipes. Haven't road BM yet, that's why I asked.


Thanks for getting it out of the way, this question gets asked every year at this time.
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Re: CRAMBA: Bald Mountain

Postby dinov » March 20th, 2015, 8:07 am

Waiting for someone to see the 1st Worm too!
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Re: CRAMBA: Bald Mountain

Postby lawn dart » March 20th, 2015, 10:24 am

c0nsumer wrote:It's important to realize that there's also a big difference between the summertime wet area mud and the thawing-trail mud we have right now. While on first blush they appear similar, what we have right now is muddy areas (often entire trails) that are soft because the ground is thawing from the top down. Ruts and damage done this time of year will quickly dry in place once the ground finishes thawing and the water can drain out the bottom, leading to crappy, dried-in ruts that often remain all year. These ruts then allow water to pool or flow, adding to erosion. People then tend to ride at the edge widening the trail, etc.
Because this pooling doesn't happen in summer time the top layer doesn't get nearly as saturated, mud isn't as deep, rutting isn't as bad, etc. This is evidenced by often being able to ride a day or so after the heaviest storms.

Brilliant bit o' info.
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Toaster wrote:Alright everyone you can put away your lead pipes...

It's for your own good, Toaster. :shock:

Just kidding! I believe everyone who frequents these boards wants what's best -- long term -- for our trails.
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Re: CRAMBA: Bald Mountain

Postby jreyst » March 20th, 2015, 10:25 am

Agreed. We're at least aware enough to know there's a community of like-minded people out there who we can learn from, or at least point and laugh at when they break down without a multitool! :D I kid I kid!
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Re: CRAMBA: Bald Mountain

Postby Steve_Kinley » March 20th, 2015, 10:35 am

Stopped in at the Lake George entrance to the north unit this morning and while there was very little evidence of bicycle tracks, someone had been on the trail with a motorcycle :shock: In the short section of trail I walked it didn't appear that they were spinning their tires, but sections of softer mud definitely have a deep track in it.
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Re: CRAMBA: Bald Mountain

Postby Jim O » March 20th, 2015, 11:14 am

Hey Paul,
You or maybe DJ with his last deed at Bald Mountain need to bust the motorcyclist!
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Re: CRAMBA: Bald Mountain

Postby flamingo » March 22nd, 2015, 9:33 pm

Was hoping that the freezing temperatures last night would freeze the trail. Went there around 1PM. The intense sunshine has thawed many parts of the trail by that time. Ended up walking my bike in many sections not to cause routs. Yes there were some motorcycle or fat bike marks on the trail. Did/walked the west loop only and went home. Pulled out my hardtail and went to ride on gravel roads. Rode the Lake George and had a peek at Addison Oaks. Looked like a serious mud bath. The eastern tip of BM looked similar. With the temperatures plummeting below freezing at nights this week, my prediction is for another three more weeks before we can ride these trails.
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Re: CRAMBA: Bald Mountain

Postby Mr.Cheetah » March 24th, 2015, 10:14 am

I road the north and south unit yesterday... It was frozen enough for a fatty. North is better than South.
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Re: CRAMBA: Bald Mountain

Postby S3aturnR » Yesterday, 10:25 am

thinking about trying to ride the northeast loop today. hoping it will be firm enough...
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