CRAMBA: Addison Oaks

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Re: CRAMBA: Addison Oaks

Postby PK » April 11th, 2014, 8:35 am

Recommendation : No go

Well at least not for another week or so of no rain for the track to dry out. Mile 1 through 3.5 have small stretches of snow/ice that will grab your front tire and send you into the dirt. Other than that there are multiple spots along the whole trail where it is hike a bike due to dead fall that needs to be removed on a trail day. A lot of it needs an ax or saw to manage it and more that two people on some of them. I tried removing all of the downed trees i could across the track but there is still a lot more that needs cleaning up. As for the mud factor, miles 1 through 4 have sections of heavy mud that goes up to your rim and no way around it. Mixed in with some standing water that's 2 to 4" deep in some spots.

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Re: CRAMBA: Addison Oaks

Postby Sortaslow » April 11th, 2014, 10:54 am

Church wrote: Recommendation : No go

Well at least not for another week or so of no rain for the track to dry out. Mile 1 through 3.5 have small stretches of snow/ice that will grab your front tire and send you into the dirt. Other than that there are multiple spots along the whole trail where it is hike a bike due to dead fall that needs to be removed on a trail day. A lot of it needs an ax or saw to manage it and more that two people on some of them. I tried removing all of the downed trees i could across the track but there is still a lot more that needs cleaning up. As for the mud factor, miles 1 through 4 have sections of heavy mud that goes up to your rim and no way around it. Mixed in with some standing water that's 2 to 4" deep in some spots.


So it sounds like you say it is a no go, experienced mud up to your rims and somehow thought it a good idea to keep venturing? If you left ruts, how do you think those will go away? Who's going to repair those? Addison is mostly clay based and they'll be cemented in this summer. No fun zooming down a section and getting a tire caught in these at speed.

We try to not ride soft trails during the thaw for this reason.

Also, you may think the ruts just wear away. They don't. We go out the and manually fix them.

Think about the time this takes from the volunteer trail keepers. This is time we could spend making the trail better, building trail features, etc.

Come by to the Addison trail day coming up. Any help is appreciated.

One trail day with a shovel in hand and I guarantee you won't ride half-thawed trails again. You'll see what a waste it is when the entire trail day gets the used to fix stuff like this instead of making improvements.
Also, we are not the sole users of any trail in Michigan. We must share with runners, walkers,/hikers, etc. When they see ugly ruts from bikes, guess what they do... they run to park management (rightfully so) and complain about how ugly the bikers are making the trail look. And it can be dangerous for walkers and runners too!

Guess what else. We are the least wanted user group on trails - even though we are sometimes the group that creates and maintains them! Having the park access that we do enjoy, and this is for all parks, has come from years of huge advocacy activities. It doesn't take much to lose it.
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Re: CRAMBA: Addison Oaks

Postby Church » April 11th, 2014, 11:12 am

Sortaslow wrote:
Church wrote: Recommendation : No go

Well at least not for another week or so of no rain for the track to dry out. Mile 1 through 3.5 have small stretches of snow/ice that will grab your front tire and send you into the dirt. Other than that there are multiple spots along the whole trail where it is hike a bike due to dead fall that needs to be removed on a trail day. A lot of it needs an ax or saw to manage it and more that two people on some of them. I tried removing all of the downed trees i could across the track but there is still a lot more that needs cleaning up. As for the mud factor, miles 1 through 4 have sections of heavy mud that goes up to your rim and no way around it. Mixed in with some standing water that's 2 to 4" deep in some spots.


So it sounds like you say it is a no go, experienced mud up to your rims and somehow thought it a good idea to keep venturing? If you left ruts, how do you think those will go away? Who's going to repair those? Addison is mostly clay based and they'll be cemented in this summer. No fun zooming down a section and getting a tire caught in these at speed.

We try to not ride soft trails during the thaw for this reason.

Also, you may think the ruts just wear away. They don't. We go out the and manually fix them.

Think about the time this takes from the volunteer trail keepers. This is time we could spend making the trail better, building trail features, etc.

Come by to the Addison trail day coming up. Any help is appreciated.

One trail day with a shovel in hand and I guarantee you won't ride half-thawed trails again. You'll see what a waste it is when the entire trail day gets the used to fix stuff like this instead of making improvements.


Woah bud I understand that riding in the mud and half thawed trails is bad for them. I also didn't want to start the wrong way 2 miles into the track where the standing water starts. I knew that two more miles it kicks out to paved and I took that back to the trail head.

Yes I would like to help on the trail days if I'm not working. All depends on the day


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Re: CRAMBA: Addison Oaks

Postby Sortaslow » April 11th, 2014, 11:31 am

Not trying to be a jerk, but it's good education for everyone. No problem.

Just wondering why you didn't heed the advice from the trail coordinator in the post before yours, just days prior.
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