Michigan Mountain Biking Association
Andy_B wrote:Thanks for the insight Dan, your so thoughtful.
Typical management style answer....
edit: And people wonder why I don't belong to the MMBA. I offer my support, ask questions to help further my understand and all I get is smart-ass answers from the MMBA's leaders.
I'm confused, I must have 1 to-many closed head injuries.... More user-friendly by not dumbing it down?
Those two do not go hand in hand with the IMBA/MMBA.
care to explain?
Andy_B wrote:Dan_Harrison wrote:
Since we were talking about the Grinder the other day, here are some thoughts based on what I saw, and comments from others.
The devil is in the details, of course, but here are some general principles that could improve the Grinder:
1. Make it officially a stacked-loop trail. Use crossovers to create options to return *using the trail, not Hess Road*.
2. Use signage to designate options, distances, difficulty. Close all bandit bailouts, mark with "no traspassing" signs (when you do that, add an arrow on the trail that says "Return to Trailhead - X miles")
3. Create loops of, say, 9, 12 and 15 miles. For example, cutting across from the 7-mile mark to 13, makes a 9-mile loop.
This would make sense, but is the old road "private property"? If you follow the bail out option signage, thats where it leads to, and then from there to hess. I did not re-call any no trespassing signage going this route. Correct?Dan_Harrison wrote:4. Emphasize *flow* on the initial loop: remove awkward lines, unnecessary obstacles. Place benches at scenic points, encourage users to take a break, hang in there, enjoy the experience. That way, even 9 miles of the revised trail will be about the same effort as 7 miles of the old.
How many miles we talking here Dan? The opening 5 miles flow great, if you are semi skilled rider. Granted some of the climbs are a bit tedious . I do not recall any "unnecessary obstacles" other than the rather large log pile, that is marked.Dan_Harrison wrote:5. Emphasize *skill* on the middle loop: introduce more log crossings, rock features, challenging lines.
No more log crossings, they are to repetitive. Small ladder bridges maybe. More rock gardens, add them to the down hills and the climbs (there are tons of large boulders and baby heads out there). Berm the corners out, add some off camber turns and non bench cut climbs.Dan_Harrison wrote:It should *all* have flow and sustainability, but these qualities will be most important on the inner loop, which will always get the most usage.
It already flows good. You just need to be able to pick a line and let it roll.
Also at around mile 5 or 6... there is that huge bowl... That would be a sweet feature... spiral down and back up.
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