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Re: Western: Cannonsburg SGA

Postby G.R.XC-MTNBKR » August 2nd, 2012, 11:10 pm

Even with the rain due to such heavy use the trail is falling apart quickly. :twisted: The very fast riders have created so many bypasses that I cant even count them all :roll: . This is due to so many rec riders being able to ride the trail now, or should i say the edges of the trail. The sand is still a foot deep in spots, not kidding, and getting worse.
One of the side effects of mmba dumbing down the trail and getting so many more riders that dont know what there doing out there. If ur gonna fill up the few existing trails with new riders you should at least try to educate them. :? The trail is rapidly becoming dangerous, just what I like :twisted: , I could due without so much sand though. DONT GET ME WRONG I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH OTHER RIDERS AND NEW RIDERS, but if all there gonna due is make bypasses and destroy the trail or worse, then we are in for some serious problems. :(
I swear almost every time i ride there I can see that the trail has gotten worse. Good thing for the shortcut to ski area. It seems to me that a private trail that the mmba doesnt have free rain over seems to be the way to go. :lol:

By the way there are also two large trees down, first one at the bottom of the steepest short climb which is not rideable. Second is 2/3 way down the long straight downhill right towards the end of the third section coming out to the 3 mile lot which is barely passeable.
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Re: Western: Cannonsburg SGA

Postby Mike_D » August 2nd, 2012, 11:55 pm

The 1st tree down that GRXC-MTNBKR spoke of above, to be more specific in location, is after Dursom Road, after the switchback uphill climb, & at the bottom of the steep short climb as he described. No way of riding around that windfall...

Although I didn't have a chance to ride the rest of the trail from 3 mile rd. on (was running out of daylight and had to make it back to the ski area), I didn't think the trail was in that bad of shape given the fact the weather we have been having. Sure, there was a lot of sand which I expected due to the lack of rains, but I thought it was a lot sandier at the ski area and there were some decent lines going thru the sandboxes. I will say that the downhill, just before the switchback uphill climb, is getting more rutted out/washed out every time I go out there. Not complaining, just sayin'... Wonder how many inexperienced riders that has taken out this year....
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Re: Western: Cannonsburg SGA

Postby cramer » August 3rd, 2012, 7:37 am

Trail was in great shape last night, sandy spots due to dry weather were gone.
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Re: Western: Cannonsburg SGA

Postby Scotty » August 3rd, 2012, 2:01 pm

G.R.XC-MTNBKR wrote: The very fast riders have created so many bypasses that I cant even count them all .


that's a silly statement.

"faster" and more accomplished riders don't typically build or create ride arounds. My experience at that trail over the past 20 years is that the people creating ride arounds are "weekend warrior" types and novice riders. I've run into people doing just that many times on that trail. Several times I've gotten in shouting matches with people. In each occurance they were slower riders, mostly people "out of the know" with the local MMBA chapter and the history of the trail.

Having known most of the "faster" riders in the area over the years, I think it's safe to say that they often take the more difficult lines (not those that widen the trail) because those harder lines are the faster lines (if you can ride them).
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Re: Western: Cannonsburg SGA

Postby G.R.XC-MTNBKR » August 3rd, 2012, 10:29 pm

Scotty wrote:
G.R.XC-MTNBKR wrote: The very fast riders have created so many bypasses that I cant even count them all .


that's a silly statement.

"faster" and more accomplished riders don't typically build or create ride arounds. My experience at that trail over the past 20 years is that the people creating ride arounds are "weekend warrior" types and novice riders. I've run into people doing just that many times on that trail. Several times I've gotten in shouting matches with people. In each occurance they were slower riders, mostly people "out of the know" with the local MMBA chapter and the history of the trail.

Having known most of the "faster" riders in the area over the years, I think it's safe to say that they often take the more difficult lines (not those that widen the trail) because those harder lines are the faster lines (if you can ride them).

Sorry i put the wrong emoticon there, supposed to be the wink :wink: . Also thought it was kind of obvious, hence your first sentence. Sounds like I unintentionally hit a nerve. But I do agree with what you said for the most part
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Re: Western: Cannonsburg SGA

Postby yamaha13 » August 4th, 2012, 4:41 am

I see one person always seems to be complaining about how bad the trails in the area are, how bad MMBA maintains the trails in the area, if the trails are so terrible to ride I suggest you find a new hobby like dodging traffic on 28th street while blind-folded. Or you can pay your dues show up to an MMBA meeting and talk with real people about issues you have and maybe get involved instead of always ranting behind a website page.
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Re: Western: Cannonsburg SGA

Postby kms662 » August 4th, 2012, 10:12 am

Trees still down in sections 2 & 3 as described earlier. The one in section 2 needs a chainsaw. The one in section 3 already has a reroute going around it but it's at the bottom of a fast downhill and if you're not paying attention...well... :twisted:
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Re: Western: Cannonsburg SGA

Postby Scotty » August 6th, 2012, 10:26 am

thank you to whomever did the chain saw work out there!
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Re: Western: Cannonsburg SGA

Postby Scotty » August 8th, 2012, 3:31 pm

rode last night...

I assume the reroute/ride around of the first tree on the rooty climb (sect 2) was an unapproved bandit "fix". somebody had to drag all those logs and brush out of the way to create that 50ft span of future erosion, just to avoid 5 or 6 roots. Ground is so loose there it's not sustainable for much longer. thought several times about dragging all the logs back over it, but i've done that so often out there (only to find everything moved the next day) that I don't bother anymore.

as much as I enjoy riding up all the roots on that climb, the prospect of riding over a root or two seems to inspire trail widening by others. I'm wondering if it would make more sense to provide an easy ride around at the top of the long downhill so people without the skills or ballz to ride uphill for more than 30 seconds can just take a pass and not bother going to the bottom to begin with? that way the people that actually care can ride the rough stuff without it getting torn to pieces. I volunteer to help work on it.
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Re: Western: Cannonsburg SGA

Postby G.R.XC-MTNBKR » August 9th, 2012, 9:30 pm

Scotty wrote:rode last night...

I assume the reroute/ride around of the first tree on the rooty climb (sect 2) was an unapproved bandit "fix". somebody had to drag all those logs and brush out of the way to create that 50ft span of future erosion, just to avoid 5 or 6 roots. Ground is so loose there it's not sustainable for much longer. thought several times about dragging all the logs back over it, but i've done that so often out there (only to find everything moved the next day) that I don't bother anymore.

as much as I enjoy riding up all the roots on that climb, the prospect of riding over a root or two seems to inspire trail widening by others. I'm wondering if it would make more sense to provide an easy ride around at the top of the long downhill so people without the skills or ballz to ride uphill for more than 30 seconds can just take a pass and not bother going to the bottom to begin with? that way the people that actually care can ride the rough stuff without it getting torn to pieces. I volunteer to help work on it.

I agree something must be done. One of my fav spots is jumping over those roots all up the climb, after youve ridden it enough it becomes easier, but obviously not for everyone. :? :?: Yes, the less skilled riders clearly need a safe bypass there. :?
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Re: Western: Cannonsburg SGA

Postby giantone » August 10th, 2012, 12:02 pm

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Re: Western: Cannonsburg SGA

Postby Slimm » August 12th, 2012, 10:03 am

tree down section one before the re-route.
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Re: Western: Cannonsburg SGA

Postby LuckyCharm4x4 » September 6th, 2012, 2:14 pm

When does Egypt Valley close for the season?
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Re: Western: Cannonsburg SGA

Postby Slimm » September 6th, 2012, 2:16 pm

one week from tomorrow, sept 14th, is the last day to ride
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Re: Western: Cannonsburg SGA

Postby the Putti » September 13th, 2012, 6:27 pm

Rode it for the last time this year today. Sad. Undoubtedly my favorite trial in W MI.
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