wingzz wrote:HiptonRadcliffIII wrote:wingzz wrote:HiptonRadcliffIII wrote:jalopy jockey wrote:Sortaslow wrote:I don't know. I don't head to the pines for tech features and difficulty.
Thanks for cleaning it up Pete and putting in the volunteer hours. It was a great ride, tonight.
Fwiw... you launch off that root and clear the initial depression and pop onto the berm regardless if it's filled in or not. All it used to be was a constant mud puddle.
Exactly the pines are a great warm up, cool down, scenic flowy recovery. Or my favorite use to take beginners/kids to show them the real deal without getting in over thier heads.
And yep Hipton kids and beginners should be instructed to walk it if you have to. My oldest (now 7) knows that he's in for a challenge if he takes the left lane in the pines. But there also is a place for a trail they can clean to feel good about the ride. Sections of the tree farm and the pines are those places and need to remain so.
I often like to point to tree farm when I think of progressive xc/freeride features being incorporated. they probably have some of the biggest, but I feel they are laid out unobtrusively. I think there are a few spots there you can certainly drop more than 6 feet if you carry enough speed into them. I am not advocating death spikes. kids can handle 6 ft falls all day long and not get hurt. if your in good shape and know how to fall, you probably can too. I crash still. you just dust yourself off. most falls don't end with a trip to the ER.
Novi is also a city park where it is much easier to get things approved whereas Stony is a metropark and there you have the HCMP along with the park itself approve anything we do, and they are more about conserving the natural land than worrying about mountainbiking
I understand, my tune hasn't changed since I started coming here. someone needs to take an advocacy position on pushing the trail features further, the sport keeps progressing and our trails need to reflect that. I also think in the case of stony, there are some bigger issues, I can't for the life of me understand why stony won't let the pines to snake (intermediate area) be connected with single track. it ruins the flow of the ride, those hill are dumb and turn into sand dunes mid summer. If I could change one thing about stoney, it'd be that.
I've pushed for that for 10 years now and every time we ask they come back and will not let us build any trail in any area that doesnt have existing bike trails in it already
what about an online petition? If they saw the level of demand, maybe they will fold? I am sure trail runners would be all for it too.
maybe I am confused by your response, but doesn't that section have existing trail? (intermediate, but it's trail).
I know you've worked on it, but maybe they think it is just a small minority that desires it, when I think it would be anyone using that trail would rather have it that way.