Critter7r wrote:Scotty wrote:Critter7r wrote:Can we just say that if you put in an elevated skinny as a feature that there should be a way to not have to ride it? And if there's a log pile, there should be a way around it. And if there's a giant rock-pile, there should be a way to go around it. (And who gives a rat's ass if the feature is on the main line or is on an optional line really?) Because if that go-around isn't built into the trail, it will be added to the trail by riders that don't want to ride (or are walking around) the feature.
why does riding a trail need to be multiple choice?
just like with skiing, there ought to be some runs that are built just for experts. That seems to be a lost cause.
In the 90s the biggest challenges to riding many of our trails was the terrain. You couldn't ride around a massive and steep hill. You couldn't avoid a long rock strewn downhill. The earlier versions of our best loved lower michigan trails had plenty of tough spots. With sustainable trail building being en vogue right now, it does feel to some as though the challenge has been taken out of the few trails we can legally ride in this state. Some of that is for good reason (fall line). But some of it is this ridiculous desire to please the noobs and a subset of cyclists who are awol when it comes to racing, advocacy, etc.
What's wrong with having a single trail that "please[s] the noobs and a subset of cyclists who are awol when it comes to racing, advocacy, etc"? So non-racers/advocates have to be relegated to some trail that you deem fit for them?
Are you guys so elite that you can't share a trail with someone who's just getting started in mtb'ing? You HAVE to have your own entire trail ALL to yourselves?
Just like with skiing, there ARE features built into a lot of trails that are built just for experts. What's wrong with having a bypass for the noobs? I don't understand the need to hoard an entire trail so that "noobs" are excluded from riding it.
Keep in mind that we are not talking about Whistler here... these are public lands that everyone's taxes support, and $10 more from anyone that opts in for the PASS on their plate.
And for the record, Michigan didn't build Island Lake at every opportunity either, there's only one Island Lake. And I'd bet a month's salary that every state has at least one Island Lake-style trail.
I hope you don't make a lot in a month, because even areas within michigan don't always have an option that easy for people to ride. Marquette, they have bike paths, and there is public 2 tracks, but there isn't a single dedicated mountain bike trail I can think of that isn't pretty *beep* hard and techy. I mean the pioneer loop is probably the "easiest" trail I can think of and it still has some non bypassable technical sections. Copper Harbor has a few non technical trails, but for the most part again, they are all fairly technical and not for the beginner.....
On the flipside, is there a single ski hill out there that you can think of (Besides Bohemia) that doesn't have a bunny hill (north loop) or a few blues (west loop and lake loop) or a couple black diamonds, (tech loop, east loop)?
I realize not all trails have a cool loop set up like holdridge does. But would it be bad to add an expert loop like the tech loop to mayburry, pontiac lake, poto? What about adding in a short beginner loop at some of those places? What's wrong with having a north loop at pontiac? and then adding some more tech to the main pontiac loop? Adding tech isn't hard, rock gardens, logs (not annoying ride overable log piles, but actual logs you have to bunny hop or climb over), etc.
Does it bother you that highland doesn't have an easy loop and island lake doesn't have a hard loop?